Free Congregation of Sauk City, July 19, 2026
Today, I want to reflect with you a bit on how we who are white find ways to cross the divide from people of different races and ethnic groups and perhaps in that process, help create a more just society for all.
I will weave bits of my own story in this, not because I have always done it right or always had it figured out, but because I have learned a few lessons along the way. Each of our stories are unique, so you may find something useful in what I say or you may want to try and adopt some of the principles I talk about to your own story.
Let me start with some of the words that will shape my reflections.
Proximity
Exploration
Vulnerability
Curiosity
Relationships
Lamenting
Humility
Mending
Actions
Joy
Proximity
He says: “To change the world, we are each going to have to find ways to get closer to people who … are living on the margins of society.”
He talks a lot about proximity. He gave a speech a few years ago when he described working with a man on Death Row getting “close enough to a condemned man to hear his song.”
Stevenson widened that image this way: “When you get proximate, you hear the songs. And those melodies in those songs will empower you, they will inspire you, and they will teach you what doing justice and loving mercy is all about,” he said.
“That is why I’m urging you — all of you — to find ways to get closer to the poor and the excluded, the marginalized and the neglected, and to go with an open heart and listen for the songs that will teach you the things we need to understand.”
When I was growing up, I did not have any of that proximity. Now I know there are people here who probably had much more proximity than I did to others from varied backgrounds. I hope that when we get to the discussion, you can help widen the conversation.
When I was growing up, Marinette was a city of about 14,000 nestled on the shore of the Menominee River that formed the border with Michigan. The diversity there at the time involved religion – Catholic and Protestant with a smattering of Jews – and ethnic heritage – German, French, Irish and Polish were the identifiers for the four Catholic churches in town. If there was anyone in either Marinette or its sister city across the river – Menominee, Michigan – who was not white, I never saw them.
Let’s detour for a moment to some statistics that might provide context where we are now.
Whiteness
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In Fitchburg, where I live, there is a bit more diversity. It is 16% Hispanic, 11% Black, 5% Asian.
One common thread you might have noticed. The largest non-white population is our area is Hispanic, not Black. And that presents some interesting challenges for us because of language and immigration status.
You can see in those numbers the difficulty in finding proximity. It is often not right around the corner. So we have to work at it.
For me, the work began when I was in high school. For my sophomore, junior and senior years, I attended Sacred Heart Seminary in Oneida, Wisconsin – a Catholic school for young people like me thinking about becoming a priest.
The seminary was located on the land of the Oneida tribe (the building is now the Oneida Nation High School) and when we ventured off campus, we would encounter tribal members at the convenience store they ran. But the students and faculty at the seminary were all white.
During the four summers I worked with migrants, I moved from the guy who took the kids out to play to someone who helped communicate the issues around migrant labor, housing, education and such to the wider Oconto community through newspaper columns and a radio broadcast. I began to understand the societal issues around migrant labor.
Meanwhile, at the seminary there was a growing awareness of the movem
ent for civil rights occurring around the nation. Because Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. had built alliances across religious traditions, we were aware of his role in all of this.
In October of 1966, he came to the seminary with seven members of the Youth Council so they could talk to us about civil rights, education and the role of the church. “Christ was a civil rights worker,” he told us.
Listening to the Youth Council members talk was probably the first time I had any kind of meaningful engagement with people who were black.
So that was beginnings of my journey into a more diverse world.
Exploration
The second word in my list is “exploration.” I began actually seeking out ways to find that proximity.
My desire to learn more about the work of King, the urgency of finding a path to racial justice, my understanding of what followers of Jesus were being called to – these all intensified.
At the heart of the program was the white attendees living with black families in Chicago, giving us a chance to have a glimpse of the black experience.
I was sleeping in the basement at the home of this middle-aged black couple, eating grits for breakfast and then walking through a virtually all-black neighborhood to catch the bus that would take me to Friendship House on the south side. I was very aware of how different I was from everyone else. I had never been a minority before.
The family I lived with was friendly, but not too talkative. On Wednesday, the family I was staying with took me next door to meet their neighbors. We sat around the living room having a beer. They asked me what I had been doing. I told them about the various speakers we had heard over the past few days – a black Chicago police sergeant who talked about the racism he saw and experienced on the force; Saul Alinksy, the community organizer who was a huge figure in Chicago; a priest who worked in
The woman we were visiting began to tell me about being black in a white society. The intensity of her feelings was overwhelming, softened only by occasional assurances that I shouldn’t take this personally. It sure felt personal to me.
I don’t remember any of the words she said, only the heat of her anger. It my first experience facing black rage in a very personal way. It shook me, for sure, but also opened my eyes to one slice of the reality of being black in America.
Vulnerability
That gets me to the third word – “vulnerability.” One of the big challenges in getting outside of the places where we feel comfortable is a willingness to be vulnerable.
By the time I turned 20, despite coming from such a white city and attending such a white seminary, I had been in some contact with African Americans, Latinos and Oneida tribal members.
More than contact, actually. I had felt welcomed across the lines that seemed to divide so much of our country. That at least gave me some confidence to begin engaging people from a variety of racial and ethnic backgrounds. Next stop – UW-Madison.
Wisconsin’s major university was not all that much more diverse than the rest of the state, but it was swept up in the social justice movements in the late 1960s.
The winter before I came to campus in August of 1969 as a junior, black students at UW led a strike that pushed the administration to create a Department of African American studies.
One evening, I wound up helping Sylvester - a 46-year old black man who was part of the leadership - collect bail money from the crowd. We came across another man that Sylvester was pretty sure was collecting money for his own purposes. He tried to persuade him to bring the money to the office. The man responded by pulling a .38 pistol out of his lightweight yellow jacket. “You accusin’ me of being a thief,” he said to Sylvester. “Get out of here before I shoot you.”
My inclination was to get out of there, but Sylvester had other ideas. “Go ahead and shoot,” he replied as I’m sure my eyes were as wide as saucers. “I know I’m right and you know I’m right and I don’t mind dyin’.” After a few tense moments of silence, the man put the gun back in his jacket and they both walked into the office to deposit the bail money. I started to breathe again. Talk about feeling vulnerable.
It was a powerful moment on several levels, including the power of an active non-violent response to a threat. For me, it was also a lesson that this black man from Milwaukee would be my protector.
Then it was on to The Capital Times, first as a reporter covering politics in the state and city, then in 1975, covering education in the city. That’s when I was again encountering issues of race.
Curiosity
Here’s where the next word comes in – “curiosity.” That’s a pretty good trait for a reporter – and I think for all of us. Can we bring a sense of wonder to those opportunities we have to spend time with someone not like us?
One of the things I was curious about was attention that was starting to be paid to increasing number of students of color in the Madison schools.
Some of the quotes from that series about the Madison schools have an awfully familiar ring 40 years later. Richard Buchanan, the school district’s human relations director, he saw “minority students in Madison miseducated in a system with the best educational opportunities in the country.”
Madison continues to struggle with these issues as the schools and the city become more diverse.
I was curious about what I could do to make some kind of a difference.
In 1987, I learned about a project led by Marlene Cummings, a curriculum specialist for the Madison schools Human Relations Department who went from classroom to classroom in Madison’s elementary schools to help children learn how to respect one another’s differences. She created a project known as Celebrate Difference.
Over the next several months, some 750 people responded to the Cap Times’ invitation. The project also sparked an internal examination at the newspaper about the lack of diversity on our staff and the way we cover stories in the community. We hired trainers to come in to work with our staff and then invited community leaders to come to a staff meeting to share their perceptions with us. Those perceptions were not particularly flattering toward our work,
As this wrapped up in late 1988, I wrote a column about how I had tried to use the Celebrate Difference project to expand my own cultural horizons. Indeed, over the course of that year, I formed relationships with a wide variety of community leaders that continued through the years.
in that column, I referred back to my all-white upbringing and concluded: “Celebrate Difference means that I can celebrate my own heritage – my German ancestry, my white skin, my Catholic beliefs, my masculinity, my marriage – without diminishing the heritage of others. It means that I can reach out beyond that personal heritage and celebrate with others at a black Gospel festival or a Hispanic fiesta. It means I can learn from the stories of a Menominee Indian or a Hmong refugee.”
I was writing quite a bit about issues of race during this stretch, both in editorials and in columns. There were headlines on my columns like “Racial politics make divisive problems worse” and “Race, poverty create stark images.”
I tried in many ways to focus my writing on these issues as Madison was struggling with the challenge of how to become a more multiracial city.
One aspect of such a challenge is how folks in the media deal with issues of race. In the late 1990s and into the 2000s, I was part of a group that convened periodic race and media forums, bringing together news people from a variety of outlets with representatives of the black community.
These were often uncomfortable as we heard the many ways we were failing an important segment of our community - a lack of diversity on our staffs, an over-emphasis on negative stories involving people of color, a lack of positive news, disconnection from the daily lives of black residents, a historic distrust of white media by black folks.
Lamentation
“Lament names the bad. It acknowledges specific hurts and harms. Participating in lament is an act of resistance against the dominant ways of responding to harm, both for sufferers and those who cause suffering…
“Lament does not necessarily fix what’s wrong, but it brings people together to acknowledge the ways people are affected by harm…
“Lament is a posture that acknowledges that the boulder of racism is heavy and pressing against it will be a struggle.”
I wrote my own reflections in 2005 on race and media, focusing specifically on the Cap Times, where I was now the managing editor, the second highest spot in the newsroom.
But still, as I looked through three month’s worth of papers in 2005, trying to see them as if I were a person of color, I wrote that “I did not find much that I could identify with…The overall impression I got was that this was a publication written by and for white folks.”
Despite many attempts, there were still huge gaps in our efforts to reach beyond our traditional white readership.
There also were moments when I realized the huge gaps in my understanding of what it meant to be black in America.
When the nation was waiting for the verdict in the O.J. Simpson double murder trial in October of 1995 – the famous black athlete accused of stabbing two people to death - we had the TV on the Cap Times newsroom. We waited along with so many.
And then the verdict – “Not Guilty.”
Linda Lockhart, one of our copy editors who was black, stood up, cheered “yes,” and pumped her fist in the air. I was totally perplexed. It was so clear to me and all the other white folks in the newsroom that he should have been found guilty. How could Linda, an incredibly smart and perceptive journalist, see it otherwise? She had given no clue during the trial what she hoped the outcome would be.
I learned over time the depth of feeling among black folks about the injustices of our so-called justice system, particularly towards black men accused of killing white women. Whatever the reality, here was a high-profile case where the verdict favored the black man – and Linda and so many other black folks were relieved and thrilled.
Relationships
Then I was in the midst of changing careers, going from journalism to ministry. One of the opportunities that created for me is to engage around issues of race and religion and in the process, establish new relationships with people connected with growing black church world in Madison.
That’s another really important word – relationships. While I had developed some during my time in journalism, these relationships grew deeper and opened up new ways I could connect with people, not just as public figures, but as colleagues and friends.
That event tends to get a smaller number of choir members, so one year, there were only two of us basses and we had one very exposed line – which we blew. The crowd cheered us on and encouraged us and I got a wonderful taste of how a black church in a way that is both joyful and caring can carry those who stumble, even if only on a line of music.
I served as pastor at Memorial United Church of Christ in Fitchburg and while I was there, I formed a partnership with Pastor Colier McNair of Zion City Church, seeking ways to connect our two congregations which in many ways were mirror images – one mostly black and Pentecostal and one mostly white and mainstream Protestant.
My relationship with Colier and his then-wife, Myra, and members of the congregation grew stronger than did the connections between the two congregations, but it was a worthwhile effort.
And I had a vivid reminder at Memorial that I really do not have this racial stuff all figured out.
I remember the day a black man drove up to Memorial. I saw him walking from his car toward church. I figured he was just another person stopping by to seek some financial assistance. Turns out, he was a business guy who needed directions to his next appointment. That was my personal preconception – call it an implicit bias – coming through.
Humility
That brings me to yet another word on my list – humility.
I have learned that if you are going to form relationships across cultures, you cannot be too rigid about expecting folks not like you to share your beliefs or your style of worship or your politics.
So you have to ask yourself what’s the priority here – purity of belief or plentitude of connection. And how do you sort those out so you can stay true to your beliefs and widen the circles of relationships, being open to how those might affect your beliefs.
Here’s an instance when own privileged status allowed me and most of the folks I hang out with to totally miss one of the great racial divides in Madison.
Kaleem Caire, then the director of the Greater Madison Area Urban League, in 2010 had proposed a public school that would serve black boys and girls called Madison Prep. There was heated debate involving the school board, the teachers’ union, members of the black community and some in the white community, culminating in an emotion-laden six-hour meeting in December 2011 when many black folks explained in painful detail the way the Madison schools had failed them and their children.
After it was over, I got this Facebook message from Lucy Mathiak, a friend on the school board: “Hi Phil, I'm curious about the relative silence of the clergy (other than some of the African American clergy) on the debate over Madison Prep, race, and public education.”
Here was part of my reply: “At least in the circles of clergy I run with, it never even came up as a point of discussion. I suspect that's in part because our congregations tend to be predominantly white and there is less of a personal sense of urgency about the outcomes for African American students in the schools.
“While there is a generalized sense of the need for ‘something’ to be done, people don't feel the same stake in it as families with African American students do. At the congregation I serve in Fitchburg, I have not heard any talk about Madison Prep at all.”
This is what happens when we live in our own racial and ethnic bubbles. The idea of Madison Prep eventually evolved in One City School, a charter school started a decade ago with authorization from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. It has hardly solved all the educational gaps in the Madison schools, but it is one step toward mending the disparities in our community.
Mending
Mending – that’s the next word. And that brings me to the real hard part of all this. What the heck do we who are white do now in a society so sharply divided by race and ethnicity and inequities? What do we do in the face of a political storm that is deepening, not mending those divisions?
Christine Jeske, who I mentioned earlier, writes that social injustice is like a tear in the fabric meant to hold society together. And as Bryan Stevenson says, proximity is a good place to start, but other steps must follow.
Some of it involves learning from and building on those relationships that we form and being open to the differences that are part of that.
Shanna, who is black, told Christine, who is white: “My friend could have given my family something she thought they would want, like macaroni and cheese or pizza, but she didn’t know how to make those things. She could have also just made something the way she makes it for her family. Instead, she chose to make food she knew each person enjoyed. She knew our daughter liked doro wat and that my husband enjoyed her lentil sambusa. She even lowered the spice level. She stayed rooted in her cultural identity while adapting her gift to offer it in a way it could be received.”
People reaching across cultures, adapting in small ways to make a big difference and sharing the story. The fabric was made a little bit stronger.
But while the mending is personal, but it also goes beyond that to build on what we learn in those relationships to build a more just society. One way of thinking about justice is that is means bringing about a right relationship between peoples. That takes action.
Action
Bryan Stephenson says that one step is challenging and changing narratives that feed bigotry and hatred and violence. Those narratives lead people to tolerate things they should never tolerate. That sometimes requires us to do uncomfortable things.
Maybe that means finding ways to let friends and family know that what they just said around the table or on social media is outside the bounds of what you can accept.
Judy tells me that over time, you as a congregation have tried to make some of those connections that then can lead to action – a meal put on by various ethnic groups, helping at a food pantry a couple times a year where the people coming in are often Spanish-speaking, bringing in speakers who deepen your understanding of the native tribes that were here before any of us.
Sometimes the actions are simply going places where you might encounter people different than you and see if relationships might grow out of that.
Here are a couple of ideas in Madison. You may know of others around this area.
Next Saturday (July 25), the Madison Urban League will host its 12th annual Unity Picnic from noon to 4 at the Black Business Hub on South Park Street, just off the Beltline.
Every Thursday afternoon from 4 to 6 until October, Centro Hispano in Madison puts on a Mercadito – a market with food, crafts, games, music. It is s great place to absorb a bit of the culture of the home countries of so many Spanish-speaking people who now live in the Madison area.
If you want to learn more about issues around race, explore the Black History for a New Day course put on by the Nehemiah Project in Madison. It is offered both in-person and online. Watch for events at the new Center for Black Excellence and Culture in Madison.
And there are resources you can tap into that help you get to know people across cultures, find events that are coming up. There’s UMOJA, Capital City Hues, Madison 365, and more.
You all know, I am sure, the ways you can get involved politically, opposing the kind of cruelty being inflicted on immigrants, the moves to roll back the voting rights gains that have given black people a greater voice over the past half century.
There is no shortage of places that would love to have your financial support – places that are working to mend that fraying fabric and create a more just world. I would be happy to offer a few suggestions depending on the kind of causes you are interested in.
Joy
Much of this work can seem daunting. The things we see happening around us are depressing. If we feel like we are trying to do something, pushing a rock up the mountain, we too often feel like we are watching it roll back down.
We need ways to keep our heads above water, to mix a metaphor.
Being here with friends is one way to do that. Doing simple projects together – sharing a community garden, gathering over stitching, doing a woodworking project together, bicycling with others.
And there’s a big source of joy for me – music.
You know how music helped power the Civil Rights movement. You saw music sustain people in Chicago and Minneapolis as they tried to protect immigrants from ICE. I mentioned earlier what a joy it has been for me to sing in the Martin Luther King Community Choir.
If you want a great example of a group that makes this all come alive, look up the Resistance Revival Chorus (pictured above). And there are many more.
But first, I’d like to pick up on that last comment about music.
I don’t know if you all like to sing as much as I do, but I hope at least a few of you would be willing to join in one of the joyful songs that is pretty familiar and that I think reflects what we are called to do.





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